To Nibbāna with Stopping


Dhamma Talks by Mogok Sayadaw; 12th January 1961

[According to Sayadaw, in the whole sutta pitaka, with the stopping method and realized Nibbāna were only 2 persons, Bāhiya Daruciriya and Ven. Mālunkyāputta. He gave his view on this stopping method in the following talk. Sayadaw himself was quite a well know teacher in Abhidhamma during his time.

His view on the stopping method was also could be had some connections with his understanding of Abhidhamma teaching. Not only came from his understanding of the suttas. He himself was developing samādhi and practiced insight.

He also taught his disciples to sit for samādhi. But in his many talks he didn’t mention much about it. In this talk he himself supported the Mahasi Sayadaw’s system as right practice.]

Visible form is the sense object (ārammana). Seeing is the eyes. And the knowing is in the heart. Seeing the visible form and the knowing, these can’t connect to the D.A. process. Knowing the visible form as white color, red colour, etc. and can stop there is no fault for us.

Hearing a sound and then know it. With the knowing of just hearing is not a fault. After knowing and have pleasure in it, or disappointment. If these things arise and become a fault. For example, you are riding in a car andseeing trees and knowing it. Its’not a fault No kilesa comes into your mind.

This is also a way to Nibbāna. Practice with smelling and knowing, eating (tasting) and knowing etc. If you know only as sweet, sour, etc. and no fault about them. If you disappoint with it andhave fault. You feel the clothes. It’s rough or coarse and I don’t want to wear it and become fault .

Only knowing its coarseness andno fault. If you can stop at thinking and knowing it also no fault. But now, you all are over passing it (can’t stop at just knowing). You are over passing with greed, hatred, delusion, envy, conceit, etc.

The Buddha said that if you could stop at just knowing and could reach Nibbāna. Then you’ll ask there is no insight in the stopping (vipassanā) Tanhā – craving thinning out is vipassanā. We are concerning of following behind Behind with the unwholesome dhamma.

This is called abandoning with knowing. This is for the contemplation during the daily life activities. At the sitting meditation, you have to contemplate impermanence.

This dhamma was taught to Bāhiya Daruciriya by the Buddha (Told the Story of Bāhiya, including his past life at the time of the Kassapa Buddha’s Sāsana). People didn’t have any right knowledge and took him as an arahant (During the time as a bark – cloth ascetic).

They gave up their lives for the practice in their past lives (i.e., Bāhiya and his other 6 companion monks). You all are also have to die. Therefore, have to try hard for the realization. Bāhiya instantly became an arahat after listening to the Buddha’s very short discourse.

And it let the monks difficult to believe it. Can stop at just knowing and no kilesa arises is also a practice. If you can practice for no kilesas arise is a practice. Contemplate impermanence also make kilesas not arise. In the suttas, practicing with the stopping were only Bāhiya and Mālunkyāputta.

Some meditation centers are giving this instruction of seeing as just seeing, hearing and just hearing etc. (At that time, Mahasi Sayadaw’s satipatthāna meditation centers were teaching this method). Don’t take it as wrong. Why I don’t give you this meditation? Among you no – one can stop like them.

Therefore I ask you to contemplate the impermanence of whichever dhamma you prefer (i.e., one of the 4 satipatthāna). Because after the seeing and you all can’t stop at there. You can’t stop, so I ask you to contemplate impermanence. It is not easy for you. If you can stop and it is all right.

If you can’t stop and it is not right. Not the method is not right, but yourself is not right. During the Buddha 45 years of teaching with this stopping method and gained the realizations were only these 2 persons. All the others were practicing with impermanence.

Impermanence is relating to the majority of people. So don’t take it as wrong. If you can control your mind and you can do it. They didn’t include anicca, dukkha and anatta. They could stop and tanhā died away.

Ven. Sariputta and others developed their practices with impermanence. I’ll explain you only on seeing. You see a form, black or white. And nothing is happening to you yet. If, it’s a man or a woman with good looking and ugly come in. Then it’s not only a form/ visual object anymore. You all are deceiving by the later cognitive mind process.

After the just knowing mind and follow behind with the later cognitive mind process. Normally you were taught with lies. (i.e., with concepts in daily life) All of you not only can’t stop, but also deceive by them.


cited from https://oba.org.tw/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4241&p=36187#p36187 (posted on 2019-03-25)


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